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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 08:12:00 -
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Shilalasar wrote:
1. You have 375 dronebay and another 2 sets in cargohold. Trying to eat through 10+ drones is a waste of time unless have spare bomberwings. 2. so? That makes their tracking better and if someone made it to a place where he can apply dps and you do not you can just abandon and relaunch. 3. If I know nothing then what is the less than nothing you know called?
4. Droneinterface is bad, yes. Welcome to eve. But in exchange you get a weapon that fires when you go afk or are jammed. 5. People have been running sleepersite with drones for ages. You just need to learn how to control AI aggression for PvE. Doesn-¦t matter in PvP at all. 6. All that explosive damage from lasers is really a problem. 7. true, I guess that is on the list for fixing. Like we are getting faction DDAs now.
Maybe you can not compare them 1-1, but overall drones have massive advantages over turrets esp and very little drawbacks.
The no fittingrequirements is just so strong. Turretships need to downgrade their guns often enough to fit a decent tank while droneboats can fit 3 tankmodules or fill the highslots up on neuts etc.
Is it just me or is this the same argument as "lazors are too strong because i choose to ignore cap and resist problems and focus too much on fast infinite ammo switching" ?
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 08:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Bingo. Another huge nerf to drone users , and this is weeks after the destruction in use of the Omni. It's not a huge nerf by any stretch of the imagination, and it comes on the heels of numerous drone buffs that made them silly effective against everything. This change simply puts them back in a more sane place, both in terms of damage output and damage application. Quote:But remember, this is the same guy that brought us the AI change that drove us from heavies to sentries in the first place. No, it's not, for the simple reason that that never actually happened. Heavies were always awful and sentries were always better GÇö the introduction of rat AI did not change this. If you were using heavies before Level1 AI, you were doing it wrong. Oh, and if you lost tons of drones after the AI introduction, you were also doing it wrong. Quote:Plus, I would just love to hear what some gun jockey would say if he had to train a 19 day skill for each ammo type. Oh, they have to train a whole lot more than that to get each racial variation of their size category.
I guess this argument would fly much better if we had a subcap ship with 1100+ paper dps with just drones. |

Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Barton Breau wrote:I guess this argument would fly much better if we had a subcap ship with 1100+ paper dps with just drones. If I were to guess, that would probably be the thing: with additions such as faction DDAs being made, we'd start seeing ships doing exactly that and also being able to deliver a couple hundred more with regular guns on top. So the top end would have to be toned down a bit to not make all the 125mb bandwidth ships (including the Ishtar) downright silly. So in essence, to allow room for further general buffs, the baseline has to be adjusted a bit downwards to ensure that the end result remains somewhat sane.
You seem to be assuming the hypothetical faction DDAs will be somehow stronger than officer ones (930dps max)...
Moreover, why mention gun dps at all, dont most ships have a drone bay?
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Tippia wrote:If I were to guess, that would probably be the thing: with additions such as faction DDAs being made, we'd start seeing ships doing exactly that and also being able to deliver a couple hundred more with regular guns on top. So the top end would have to be toned down a bit to not make all the 125mb bandwidth ships (including the Ishtar) downright silly.
So in essence, to allow room for further general buffs, the baseline has to be adjusted a bit downwards to ensure that the end result remains somewhat sane. You seem to be assuming the hypothetical faction DDAs will be somehow stronger than officer ones (930dps max)... Moreover, why mention gun dps at all, dont most ships have a drone bay? No, I just assume that they'll be stronger than the T2 ones and will be in much more widespread use, which will lead to a general increase in drone-specific damage output GÇö a development they might want to tone down somewhat. I also assume that the drone ships will mount guns in addition to their drones (but mainly devote their module slots to boosting the drones rather than the guns), which would let them reach pretty silly damage outputs GÇö the pre-nerf Domi was a good example of this. Yes, most ships have drone bays, but most ships don't rely on them or spend slots boosting them because that would make their main weaponry much weaker and thus be a waste of slots.
So what you have talked yourself into: 800 dps (now) - OK 760 dps (after change+-) - OK, we need this because of the dda 930 dps (officer dda now) - OK 800-930 dps (faction dda) - SILLY, NERF
You may want to explain where you see silly output, otherwise you are arguing that a , saay 900 dps factionDDA ship with saaay 300dps guns has to be curbed, but a 1100dps factionsink lazor ship with 300dps drones does not.
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:What I'm saying is that averages will go up as more effective and yet not hilariously rare DDAs will be available. To keep those averages from rising when what they want is for them to go down, they bring everything down a bit more than might be expected. Quote:You may want to explain where you see silly output In the average 1200+ DPS that those drone boats can deliver.
That something needs to go down is your opinion.
A full flight of drones x4DA will get you 600-850dps a full broadside of guns/missiles x4DA will get you 500-1200dps, maybe we should nerf the guns/missiles instead, eh ? |

Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:19:00 -
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Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Icylce wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills? I know quite few Why would you put the time in to use T2 sentries without being able to use at least T2 smalls?
For what purpose would you want to use t2 smalls outside pvp if you want to use sentrys?
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:25:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Icylce wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills? I know quite few Why would you put the time in to use T2 sentries without being able to use at least T2 smalls? For what purpose would you want to use t2 smalls outside pvp if you want to use sentrys? Close orbiting frigate NPC's?
Is it 2011 or something? |

Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:48:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Is it 2011 or something? Using a MJD dominix for hisec level 4's is not the only situation in which one would use sentries for pve.
I never claimed it is, im just trying to find out when the proper situation arises that an extra ~50dps over navy ones for killing frigates you can alpha anyway is more important than extra ~200dps.
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:05:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Batelle wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Is it 2011 or something? Using a MJD dominix for hisec level 4's is not the only situation in which one would use sentries for pve. I never claimed it is, im just trying to find out when the proper situation arises that an extra ~50dps over navy ones for killing frigates you can alpha anyway is more important than extra ~200dps. When that extra 200DPS isn't applying well because you either failed to alpha them in time or they spawned on top of you.
Are we talking now some form of pve i have not experienced yet where just frigates spawn everywhere, with no larger ships?
Because in the end what you are suggesting is exchanging one extra volley per frigate for ~50% slower killing overall.
Its should have a strong reason. |

Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:20:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote: I never claimed it is, im just trying to find out when the proper situation arises that an extra ~50dps over navy ones for killing frigates you can alpha anyway is more important than extra ~200dps.
When that extra 200DPS isn't applying well because you either failed to alpha them in time or they spawned on top of you. Are we talking now some form of pve i have not experienced yet where just frigates spawn everywhere, with no larger ships? Because in the end what you are suggesting is exchanging one extra volley per frigate for ~50% slower killing overall. Its should have a strong reason. So wait, your contention now is that for some reason if you use lights on small close orbiters you can't use sentries on bigger and/or farther targets? If a group spawns near you it will likely consist of different types but I'm probably not going to MJD away just because 2 of them are frigs, nor am I only going to use lights when 2 are BS's.
The original thought was that OBVIOUSLY everyone using sentries already has t2 smalls, which i found (maybe naively) silly, since even for the purpose you mention you are much better off using navy ones to deal with frigates and t2 sentries to mop up the rest. |

Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:32:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote:The original thought was that OBVIOUSLY everyone using sentries already has t2 smalls, which i found (maybe naively) silly, since even for the purpose you mention you are much better off using navy ones to deal with frigates and t2 sentries to mop up the rest. Why use navy drones? T2 lights currently track more than well enough, MJD faster (though that shouldn't matter much for close orbiters) and hit harder.
Because you have not trained them yet? |
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